Screener Screamers - Infernal

It's time to bring out a new feature on Midnight Cinephile, which I've decided to caller Screener Screamers!  (Que cheesy spooky organ music).

As you may be able to guess, it is in Screener Screamers (There's that music again!) that I will review film screeners that are sent to me!  Clever, eh?
I've never reviewed a feature film before it's release before and I'm going to be kinda feeling my way through this so bare with me. Obviously I'm going to steer clear of any spoilers while still trying to be the informative and hilariously charming fellow that you've come to know and love.


Tonight's Screamer:  Infernal.

The film starts with sweethearts Nathan and Sophia packing up and getting ready to move.  In what is quite possibly the fastest wedding proposal/wedding/pregnancy in film history, our couple has a little girl named Imogene [sic].  "That's an odd name for a girl these days," I thought to myself "That's like a Shakespearean name!"  So naturally being me I decided to look up the name.  Turns out it was the most popular baby name for girls in 2014.  Who knew!?

I'm guessing you probably didn't come here to learn about popular baby names, so we'll move on.  We're pretty much dropped into the family when Imogene is eight years old.  She's an odd child that has an unhealthy obsession with combing her hair.  She has problems making friends and has a nasty habit of just wandering off and staring off into space.  Nathan and Sophia fear that she may be autistic.  So they bring her to a psychiatrist who has them start filming everything that happens in the house using a teddy bear with a nanny cam imbedded in it (which Imogene names Brandy "Because that's what Mommy drinks every night.") as well as a hand held camera that is used in the rest of their day to day activities.

Imogene's behavior gets stranger and the stress of the situation is clearly getting to both Nathan and Sophia as they start to fight more and more.  It becomes evident that we are dealing with something more than just autism.  There is something evil lurking and waiting to take hold.  Nathan is the first to believe that what is happening may not have a natural explanation.  It takes Sophia a bit longer to accept that there may be some otherworldly forces at work.  Things continue to spiral downward towards the inevitable downbeat conclusion. As far as plot is concerned that's as far as I am going to go.  I think that this film works best when you go in knowing as little as possible. 

I was a bit concerned when I realized that it was going to be a found footage film that it was going to be a
Paranormal Activity clone.  I am happy to report that it is not.  As a matter of fact I found myself forgetting that it was supposed to be found footage several times, only to be reminded when a character would physically grab that camera and move it.  It was quite refreshing to see that this wasn't a shaky-cam fest as are many similar flicks and that there are shots that are beautifully composed.  There are some sequences and shots that had me rewinding my screener to confirm that I wasn't going insane and I really saw what I saw.  Again, I do not want to spoil anything so I can't say anything further on the subject other than:  Keep your eyes open!

The sound design also surprised me quite a bit once the film got going and paranormal elements took hold.  Just as I was concerned with the filming style in the beginning of the film, I was also concerned with the sound design.  The opening scenes are all set to rather generic sounding alternative rock tunes.  I resigned myself to the fact that I was going to be stuck listening to the same for most of the film.  Much to my surprise and relief that was not the case.  Once we're in the thick of it the tacky rock music is gone (save for one brief dance montage scene) and the aural soundscape is a bizarre and unsettling combination of low rumbles and a strange static.  The sounds of dogs howling in the background during various scenes very effectively convey a sense of dread.

There are jump scares, there are scenes of quiet fear and there "WTF" scenes as well....but they all tie together and form a constant sense of impending doom and pervasive dread.  From the very beginning there aren't many moments of humor or levity (even the above mentioned dance scene does little to break the mounting feeling of hopelessness) for the family. 

All in all I enjoyed the film quite a bit.  The acting was a little uneven, but I've never let that stand in the way.  One thing that kept driving me absolutely bonkers was the fact that I kept thinking I'd seen Andy Ostroff (the actor playing Nathan) somewhere before and I just couldn't place him.  After the film ended I jumped on IMDb to see where I may know him from.  Turns out he's from Massachusetts and not far from where I lived for many, many years......so who knows....maybe I saw him around somewhere. 

So like I said, after I got past the 20 minute mark I really started to enjoy the film and by the end it had won me over.  Don't let the found footage thing get in the way of you seeing this film.  It's a bit of a slow burn, but the sense of pervasive dread permeates throughout.  Infernal hits select theaters and VOD on April 10th.

Alien Abduction - First Person Fire in the Sky

Alien Abduction
2014
Directed by Matty Beckerman
Written by Robert Lewis

Starring Katherine Sigismund, Corey Eid & Riley Polanski

Not Rated - Approx 85 Minutes
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Tag Lines
 - Fear The Lights

Alternate Titles
The Morris Family Abduction




"Everybody up here knows there's something weird going on."
                                                                                                  -Sean

First off, I've gotta get this off my chest:  I'm tired of people automatically dismissing a movie because it's found footage and continually bashing the format.  Found Footage films are here to stay, deal with it.  If you don't like it, that's fine.  If everyone liked the same things it would be an awfully boring world.  But for the love of God and all that's holy PLEASE stop judging films based simply on the fact that they're found footage.  Stop making automatic comparison's to Blair Witch and stop calling it lazy filmmaking.

Meet The Morrisons!  

I would have packed up my shit right then and there and left....

Okay, now that I've gotten THAT out of my system......let's talk Alien Abduction.  This is (if you haven't already figured it out) a found footage film that chronicles that last days of The Morris family.  The family of five (Father, Peter...Mother, Katie and siblings Corey, Jillian and Riley) are on a camping trip in the Brown Mountains of North Carolina.  On the first night, the kids spot a series of bright lights in the sky that are behaving quite oddly before shooting off into the night sky.

The next day things start to go wrong for the family.  Their SUV is mysteriously low on gas, the GPS is malfunctioning and tensions are starting to run a bit high.  When the family comes to a tunnel that is blocked by abandoned vehicles, you KNOW shits about to go sideways.  Dad and the boys trek into the tunnel to see what could possibly be causing the problem.  What they find is goddamned creepy.  Dozens of cars are abandoned.  Some have their hazards on, some don't, but they are ALL disheveled.  Clothes are strewn about, babyseats seemingly ripped from cars and laying on the ground, cell phones and other objects just apparently abandoned.  Getting towards the other side of the tunnel, Peter see's what he believes to be a person standing at the tunnel's mouth.  It's not human.  Personally, right then and there I would have lost my mind....because...well, you guys know how I feel about aliens.

There are aliens in the tunnel!

I just pooped myself a bit

From there on out, it's a fairly constant extraterrestrial assault on the family as they scramble for safety.   Unfortunately for them, the car doesn't have much gas left in it and after a highly disturbing shower of dead birds, the car completely runs dry and they're now on the run....literally....on foot.  They manage to find shelter when they come across a cabin belonging to a hillbilly named Sean.  At first he seems like your typical mountain dwelling type....not very fond of city slicker tourists who come up to his mountain, but he quickly becomes more of a protector and dare I even say hero as the film progresses.

That can't be good.

Meet Sean.

The aliens themselves are only ever briefly glimpsed, which makes their appearances all the more jarring when they do appear.  Their presence is heralded by blinding white light that seemingly infiltrates every crack, nook and cranny of whatever structure you happen to be in.  The light is accompanied by an unsettling metallic/ electronic noise that I can only describe as uncomfortable sounding.

Pretty much my worst fear encapsulated in a single screencap.

The film is based on the real life phenomena known as the Brown Mountain Lights, which have been sighted in the Brown Mountain region of North Carolina since the early 1900's.  They can still be seen to this day and there is still no explanation as to what the source of the lights could possibly be.  They've been the subject of several songs, books, movies and paranormal television shows.  There was even an episode of The X Files that revolved around the lights in 1999.  

Gore
No blood in this one.

T&A
No skin in this one either

Monsters
Aliens.  Goddamned aliens, man.  Freaky bug eyed bastards with their long spindly fingers.......

That town looks a looooooooong way off.

Final Thoughts
It's no secret that those grey skinned freaky bastards from beyond the moon scare the crap out of me, but I try not to let that get in the way of my objectively viewing the film.  Even if they had used a different monster in the film, it still would have been effective.  Set pieces such as the car tunnel and the road covered in dead birds were highly effective.

It still amazes me that in this day and age of YouTube and Vines that people are so against found footage films.  The argument that "No one would continue to film as all this scary stuff happens" is invalid.  YouTube and other online video sights prove that.  Do you know how many videos you can find online of REAL people being killed in accidents and even murdered while someone stands by and numbly films it?  How many websites are dedicated to pictures of videos of gruesome accidents, injuries and death?

If you were in an unbelievable situation and had a camera with you (as most people do on at least their phones now) wouldn't YOU want to document what was happening?  Should you manage to get out of it alive, you'll want proof of your unbelievable story.  If you die, you'll want people to know what happened to you.  Unlikely that you would be filming when bad shit happens?  In this day and age, I think it would be unlikely that you WOULDN'T be.  Think about it.

Final Rating
THREE OUT OF FIVE PIZZA ROLLS

Willow Creek - The Sasquatch Hunting Project

Willow Creek
2013
Directed by Bobcat Goldthwait
Written by Bobcat Goldthwait
Starring Alexie Gilmore & Bryce Johnson

Unrated - Approx 80 Minutes
Jerkshool Productions


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Alternate Titles:
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"They put fruit in my sushi.....who does that?"
                                                                            -Jim

I don't remember exactly the first time I heard of Bigfoot.  Whether it was in a book that I got from the library or perhaps an episode of Unsolved Mysteries I can't recall.   What I DO remember is the first time I ever saw the Patterson-Gimlin Film that allegedly shows a Bigfoot strolling through the forest in the middle of the day.  It's long arms eerily swinging back and forth....the way the head turns to look back at the men filming....it spooked me.  That was when I really began to think that there may be something more to Sasquatch then just old stories and legends.  I saw that footage in the first paranormal themed VHS tape that I ever rented:  Secrets of the Unknown.   If I remember correctly, SotU was a 30 minute documentary series that covered a wide range of topics:  Bigfoot, UFO's, The Loch Ness Monster, etc.  Now I know this is going to come as a shock, but I did NOT rent this from Video Paradise.  Nope.  This was one of my first rentals from Blockbuster Video.  Back in the early days of Blockbuster, they had a huge variety of tapes that just weren't available at my beloved mom & pop shop.  I remember watching the Bigfoot tape on a weeknight and I was completely enthralled.  It was all I talked about the next day at school.  This was the start of my love of the 'Squatch!

     The Patterson-Gimlin Film 

There have been a metric shit ton of Bigfoot films, tv shows and documentaries produced over the years and a good deal of them tread quite closely together.  For every great film such as The Legend of Boggy Creek, you also end up with a film such as The Asylum's wild and wonky Bigfoot, film starring Danny Bonaduce and Barry Williams!  Lemme tell ya....watching Danny Partridge and Greg Brady fight on top of Mount Rushmore as a giant Sasquatch is blasted by helicopters is definitely not something you're likely to forget.  No matter how hard you try.  Trust me.

I haven't seen them all, but I've seen my fair share and I think it's only fair to say that a good many of the Sasquatch films made are fair to middling.  Bigfoot flicks, much like zombie movies, are generally cheap to produce.  A trip to the local Halloween Costume Store and you're off and filming (See Suburban Sasquatch for a good example) your 'Squatch epic!

When I heard that Bobcat Goldthwait was making a found footage Bigfoot movie, I was intrigued.  God Bless America and World's Greatest Dad were both great films.  I wondered how Bobcat would handle straight on horror...especially found footage.  I was quite surprised.  

Our story unfolds with a young couple, Jim and Kelly, heading up to Northern California to visit the sight of the now legendary Patterson-Gilmlin Film.  It has been a lifelong dream of Jim's to take this trip and he full well believes in the beast.  Kelly, on the other hand is extremely skeptical and she's really only taking the trip to make Jim happy (cause she's a pretty swell girlfriend).  As they make their way closer to their destination, they stop in Willow Creek (which just so happens to be the Bigfoot capital of the world!) and visit all the kitschy Bigfoot attractions including the Bigfoot Restaurant (home of the Bigfoot Burger, which by the way looks delicious!), Bigfoot Books and of course one of several giant wooden Sasquatch statues that are hanging out around town.  As best I can tell all the locations are real.  I know that the Bigfoot Restaurant is, cause I Googled it and several Yelp reviews came up.  So that's kinda cool that there's a genuine local flavor going on there!

Jim is also making a documentary out of the trip and interviews many of the locals in Willow Creek.  I've heard that they used real locals in some of the interviews (much like they used real locals in the filming of Under The Skin) but I am unsure if that is true or not.  Some seem authentic, while others seem like they may be actors.....I know for sure that The Forest Ranger was actor Peter Jason.  He's appeared in everything from episodes of Gunsmoke to John Carpenter's They Live!  There is one hell of an amusing interview with a fellow that Jim describes as the Bob Dylan of Bigfoot experts.  Jim wasn't kidding.  This guy's even written a song about the Patterson-Gimlin expedition into the woods called Roger and Bob Rode Out!  It was actually pretty catchy.  You don't get to hear too many Bigfoot themed songs these days.  As an added bonus we're treated to another dude singing a 'Squatch song while playing his ukulele!  

As Jim becomes more and more excited about getting to the actually filming location, Kelly becomes more and more uneasy, but of course still goes along with Jim's idea to hike out to the location to camp.  It's the movies third act that truly impressed me.  Entering the woods, they encounter an angry local to doesn't just warn them off, but literally tells them to fuck off.  Jim, STILL not deterred in his hunt for the truth knows another way into    After driving for about two hours on a dirt road into the middle of the Six Rivers National Forest, they come to the end of the road and must hike the rest of the way to Bluff Creek where the film was shot.  After hiking for what appears to be most of the day, they set up camp about an hour and half hike from the site (according to Jim's calculations).  After some last moments of levity, night inevitably falls and that is where the fright truly begins.  

Naturally I'm not going to spoil the film, but what I WILL say is that there is an intense single take that lasts about twenty minutes.  It consists solely of Jim and Kate sitting in the tent as Tree Knocking (allegedly one of the ways that Sasquatch communicates.....by banging wood on trees) and vocalizations (just want it sounds like....Sasquatch yelling!) and a too close for comfort visitor outside their tent keep them terrified.  It doesn't happen often when I watch a film, but I found myself holding my breath....straining to listen to the sounds occurring outside Jim and Kate's tent.  If you've ever been camping and found yourself startled awake in the middle of the night by a strange sound, you will no doubt have the same reaction.

Gore

No sir!  Much as I know that you were looking forward to Sasquatch ripping someone limb from limb and them beating them with their own appendages, it ain't happening here.  

T&A

Well, there's a little skin....but.....well....you'll see.

Monsters

Yes and No!  The film is steeped in Bigfoot lore and from the moment the couple steps into the woods you can almost feel the eyes on them (and you...being a found footage film, you feel as though you're there with Jim and Kelly).  However, you never actually SEE any Sasquatch.  You can definitely FEEL them though.

Final Thoughts

I went into this film thinking it was more or less the Sasquatch equivalent of The Blair Witch Project.  And while I am a fan of BWP, I do believe that Willow Creek actually made some improvements on the formula.  Most of the film was build-up.  It was a lot of interviews and little moments here and there at the kitschy tourist attractions and conversations in the car.  By the time you're in the woods with Jim & Kate, you have much more of a sense of who they are and you feel more for them.  It's certainly not a perfect film, but it's a fun Bigfoot romp with a few good scares.  

Final Rating

FOUR OUT OF FIVE PIZZA ROLLS!

Incident In Lake County: Alien Abduction - A Cornucopia of Other Worldly Fright

Alien Abduction:  Incident in Lake County
1998
Directed by Dean Alioto
Written by Dean Alioto & Paul Chitlik
Starring Benz Antione, Kristian Ayer & Gillian Barber\
Unrated  -  Approx 93 Min.

Taglines:
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Alternate Titles:
Incident in Lake County - US Alternative Title
Extrañas criaturas (Strange Creatures) - Argentina
Alien Abduction - Australia
Estranhas Criaturas (Strange Creatures) - Brazil 

Alien Abduction: The McPherson Tape - UK

Back in the 90's there was a resurgence in the fascination of aliens and UFO's.  You couldn't change the channel without hitting on a show about UFO sightings, reports of abductions, specials about Area 51, Groom Lake and Alien Autopsies.  It was a pretty awesome time to be a UFO enthusiast!  It was toward the end of this extra-terrestrial boom that we were treated to this little slice of found footage terror.  About a year before The Blair Witch Project took the world by storm, Incident at Lake County quietly aired in people's home via cable channel UPN and promptly freaked out people like me.

Just your typical dysfunction family Thanksgiving!

The brothers go to check the fuse.  

If you read this blog at all, then you know I'm freaked out by aliens.  Fire in the Sky nearly killed me when I saw if for the first time.  Shows like Unsolved Mysteries and Sightings routinely kept me cautiously looking skyward when driving down a lonely country road by myself at night.  Then this came along.  It was presented the same as the Alien Autopsy special, in that a preamble states that the authenticity of the video is up to the viewer to decide, yadda yadda....you know the drill.

We are introduced to a family getting ready to sit down to Thanksgiving dinner.  (Ah HA!  It's a Thanksgiving themed movie!  BRILLIANT!  They've fused aliens with my favorite food based holiday.  Those diabolical bastards!).  Young Matthew is playing around with a video camera and decides that he'll film the festivities.  Like pretty much any family, this one is dysfunctional.  Mom's alcoholic, the oldest son is a bit of a douchebag.....another teenage son is having naked time with his girlfriend upstairs....you get the idea.  As the turkey is being carved, there's a bright flash of light and the power goes out.  The three boys go out to check the fuses.  That's when they stumble across a landed UFO and aliens slicing open cows with a laser beam.  The aliens spot the boys and follow them back to the house, launching a campaign of terror upon the household.

It's hard to make out, but that's an alien cutting up a cow with a laser beam.  

It seems a little odd that the aliens would dick with these people for half the night instead of just abducting them or whatever they're going to do....but then again, for all I know, aliens are a bunch of douche-nuggets who get off on scaring humans.  Bunch of jerks.

I've got nothing.

Renee ain't lookin' so good.....

Anyway, aliens appear in the house, outside the house, etc in a series of fairly disturbing and poorly lit encounters.  Remember this whole thing is being shot via camcorder (with a light attachment).   The electricity in the house has been knocked out so we're pretty much seeing everything through flashlights and candles.  While it can be a bit frustrating sometimes, it certainly adds to the doom laden atmosphere that this film generates.  All in all, it's a pretty solid entry into the found footage genre that is worth a look.  Especially  if you're like me and equally fascinated and terrified by aliens.

That right there is Nightmare Fuel for a person like me.  Thanks alot!

Midnight Cinephile Tally

Death Toll:  One for sure.....the hot chick.  Why is it always the hot chick.  I don't think it's a spoiler to tell you that they all get abducted....after all it's in the title.  What became of them?  Who knows....maybe they're all dead and laying mutilated in a field somewhere.

Nude O Meter:  Well, technically there's one set of boobs.  However, they are pixilated.  Damn, gypped again.

Things That Go Bump In The Night:  Call them what you want.  Aliens, Greys, etc....these evil little bastards are definitely not just looking to phone home.  Fucking aliens, man.   They creep me out.


Final Thoughts
This definitely has to take the award for strangest Thanksgiving themed horror movie that I've ever seen.  Just the whole merging of turkey, stuffing, pumpkin pie and alien abductions seems SO wrong to me on so many levels.  Oh well, at least it wasn't Christmas!

Final Rating
Three out of Five Pizza Rolls

V/H/S - Analog Bricks Of Horror

VHS.  Just saying those three letters gives me a warm feeling all over.  VHS, of the Video Home System won out the videotape format wars, beating out Betamax and (to a MUCH lesser degree) the VX.  Back when I was a kid, there were Mom & Pop shops everywhere filled with VHS tapes.  Slipcases, Clamshell, Big Box....they had them all....displayed shelf upon shelf, with their lurid artwork proudly on display.

These days, there are many Videovores and VHS Hunters such as myself, who can't get enough of those magical analog magnetic tapes.  VHS tapes can go for as little as a penny (which is very common with a lot of the later produced tapes from the late 90's and early 00's) to as much as $800.00 (that's about how much was paid for the ultra-rare tape Tales From The QuaDead Zone).  It never ceases to amaze me how "dead formats" can suddenly make a resurgence in popularity.  In fact VHS has become so repopularized (yup, I made up that word) that some filimmakers are actually releasing their new films on VHS!   

I'm sure you're not here for a history lesson, though.  So let's get on with it, shall we?  I first heard about V/H/S about a year ago and was immediately excited about it.  See, I'm also a sucker for anthology films AND found footage films.  V/H/S combines both of these together in a very interesting way.  The concept is that some lowlife thugs are hired to break into an old guys house and steal a VHS tape with unknown content on it.  After breaking in, the thugs find the old man in a room upstairs dead in his chair.  There is a group of TV's stacked up in the room connected to a VCR and a mess of VHS tapes on the floor.  Checking the the contents of the tape is what allows us to jump from short film to short film.

I've gotta tell ya, I had a blast with this film.  Sure some of the stories are weaker than others (which is the case with any anthology film) but as a whole, I thought V/H/S was a fun ride from start to finish.  The film features five short films (with the thugs in the house functioning as a sort of sixth story.) each in a "found footage" kind of format.

AMATEUR NIGHT -

Written by David Bruckner & Nicholas Tecosky

Directed by David Bruckner

The first segment starts things off with a bang.  It's on of my favorites, possibly because I really had no idea what to expect with this being the first segment and all.  Plus it introduced me to Hannah Fierman.  Man, I don't know what it is about her, but I found her both extremely creepy yet really hot at the same time.  Maybe I'm just warped, I dunno.  Tell ya what though, made me glad that I'm married and not in the singles scene anymore!  

SECOND HONEYMOON - 

Written & Directed by Ti West

I have to say that I was pretty disappointed with the final resolution of this particular segment.  There was a great set-up with a couple taking a trip through the Grand Canyon and at one point, they come across an electronic fortune telling machine ala the Zoltar machine in the Tom Hanks movie, Big.  As a matter of fact they even reference that in the scene.  I couldn't help but think that there were some missed opportunities in this segment.  I really enjoy Ti West's films and I was very surprised to find that this one was probably my least favorite entry.

TUESDAY THE 17TH - 

Written & Directed by Glenn McQuaid

I really enjoyed this one.  It starts out pretty cliched and after my disappointment with the Second Honeymoon segment I was starting to lose a little interest when this one started.  That quickly started to change however as the story quickly took shape and freaky shit started happening. There are a few things in this one that really had me scratching my head, plotwise.....but the incredible creativity that went into the paranormal "punchline" of the segment allowed me to very quickly forgive the plot holes.

THE SICK THING THAT HAPPENED TO EMILY WHEN SHE WAS YOUNGER -

Written by Simon Barrett

Directed by Joe Swanberg

Well, first off, this segment gets the award for coolest title!  This was an interesting segment in that it completely takes place via a Skype-style video chat between a girl and her long distance boyfriend.  The concept of only being able to see what is going on from the vantage point of a laptop's webcam is really cool and makes for some tense moments, but being able to see her boyfriends reactions to what he is seeing on screen (via a screen in screen showing his own webcam's view) I think hurt it a bit.  That and the fact that the "reveal" is extremely confusing makes this one of the lesser entries, in my opinion.  Being who I am, and being a huge paranormal geek, I was able to figure out what was happening.....but I think that many could be very easily lost in what is going on.  A good effort and very creative......but could have used some more script work.

10/31/98
Written & Directed by Radio Silence

This is another one that really surprised me.  As the segment starts, it seemed to be a very similar set-up to Amateur Night.  Things quickly changed my mind, however.  This segment definitely had the most "creep" factor to it and the more I think about it, the more I want to watch it again.  It's easy to see why they saved this one for last.  The special effects in this segment are so well done that you would swear that these events were really unfolding on a simply VHS tape.  The second half of this segment is worth the entire price of admission alone.  When the paranormal shit hits the fan, it's a balls to the wall to the end.  You don't want to miss this.


Okay, so I've gone through each segment and done my best to not give anything away about them. I think part of the fun of this film is experiencing it for yourself without knowing what's coming at you next.  Sure this movie has some problems and sometimes has you scratching your head (Like why is there a VHS tape that contains Skype video chat footage?????) but I really think that adds to some of the fun.  While it's clear that not everything was shot on VHS, the film evokes that SOV 80's feeling pretty well....especially in the Tuesday the 17th segment.

All in all, I really loved V/H/S.....flaws and all....and more-so I would love to see this turned into a franchise.  I think that the found footage format has much to offer and there are still as of yet under-explored avenues that a really creative filmmaker could take.  Of course you can never have too many anthology films either.

You can watch V/H/S on VOD through your cable provider, rent it from itunes or amazon streaming, or you can catch it's limited theater release on October 8th.  No matter which way you choose to go, make sure you make it a point to see this one!